tunnel rat posted on November 25, 2010 12:06

I blogged about this a year ago, and I don't know what happened to the lawsuit, but it is worth a repeat:

...Infosys management routinely disparaged Americans, including Mrs. Awasthi, as not having "family values," and stated that layoffs in America are good because the jobs will be outsourced.

Infosys management ridiculed Mrs. Awasthi for celebrating the American holiday of Thanksgiving, telling her that she should not celebrate Thanksgiving because she is Indian, and that therefore she must work on Thanksgiving Day.

Infosys management ridiculed Mrs. Awasthi’s children for celebrating Thanksgiving, and called them "ABCD" short for "American-Born Confused Desi," and "IBCD" short for "Indian-Born Confused Desi," insulting terms used to criticize people of Indian ancestry who are Americanized...

While researching this matter, I came across this gem:

Most Indian Tech firms are involved in huge fraud with US labor laws. Whenever Consultants are on bench, they get minimum prescribed H1B pay so that their Status is maintained - but they have pay this back to the company in cash. Which means they are actually cheating the US Visa program. Even BusinessWeek ran a cover story. There is large scale fraud in hiring contractors where nepotism and regionalism rule. All Indian firms are involved.

Moreover (I feel ashamed of being Indian many times for this) Indians especially Indian men are highly racist. They treat women like objects. They have no regard of the sacrifice of American soldiers and have no regard for American ethics, but want to pull out profit from America. They are extremely stingy and exploit employees and lie about employees qualifications to get projects. USCIS knows this but the tech industry lobby which is infested with Indian American Green card holders who are even more greedy than the Indian tech cos, push USCIS not to be strict on them, as the demand for tech workers is kept high by false estimation of tech projects.

Infy will settle lawsuit by huge payout, but this may lead to string of lawsuits hurting even genuine non cheating Indians and spoiling Indians reputation.

IMHO, all of you Indians should be ashamed. And there's more! OMG!

Just to clarify - the company being mentioned has been known to disallow associates from keeping miniature tricolors during Independence day on grounds of being a 'Global Company' Having been in the industry its pretty certain most desi IT companies strive hard to have a cosmopolitan, culture-neutral workplace. The trouble is the pool they recruit from.

Now these are not your regular urban DU/Xaviers liberal fluff who get their pants in a knot over Palestine and can't end their day without a hookah/chillum orgy. Most of these guys are from Engineering colleges in the hinterland where the boy to girl ratio is 8:1 and too busy competing for grades, being pressurized by parents etc. It leaves them with no time to catch up with cultural nuances and other worldly affairs. Besides a majority of them are from lower middle class conservative families which Goldman clubs as 'strivers' in the Indian context with a feral cultural son-of-the-soil pride and hunger for upward mobility.

On site travel rarely sobers them up and when pushed into a corner they close ranks, ghettoize and adopt Hindutvawaadi ideas/post on Bharat-Rakshak etc. Sad to say these kids with performance IQs off the charts often make for very unbalanced individuals. You cannot fault companies for this, blame the dog-eat-dog Indian education/employment scene. Its also good in a way. These fellas are willing to slog without cribbing about work-life-balance, which matters most in Indian IT services to drive the 15% YoY growth. They don't make the best ambassadors but conquerors never have.

Yes, I think FERAL best describes this slumdog scum, and I have refered to the this plague as a "Upper Caste Indian Invasion" just like the aforementioned Indian describes.  And don't even get me started on the curry-scented ghettos they form.

Finally, I did find that this case is working its way through courts, and Awasthi is seeking almost TWO MILLION DOLLARS:

A former employee of an Indian outsourcing company can move ahead in state court with allegations that managers in the company's U.S. office discriminated against her for being American.

That is one brave Desi chick.  In India, she would be gang rapped by some Infosys PMs and forced to suck off Infy clients for the rest of her career.

I look forward to the day when Infosys scum are rounded up and given the Aussie treatment.




tunnel rat posted on November 22, 2010 22:31

Slashdot chimed in on the recent Computerworld article about the 20th anniversary of the H-1B, and the comments are revealing.  Here's some tidbits:

...And despite having to train her replacement, ...

I had to do the same thing at another company and he was the one who asked me what the '*' by variables mean and "what's a pointer?"

That's why when I hear some big shot at Intel, IBM or any other big corp says that they are hiring overseas because 'they can't find qualified Americans", I have to go off and mumble "Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. ... "

Just tell the fucking truth. They want cheaper labor. That's why as Indian salaries go up, they move to other countries.

And price does not equal value:

It's not the ones who are the best who are the problem. Maybe 1% of the H-1Bs are among the best. The other 99% are code monkeys who went to the local equivalent of a tech school, know barely enough Java or whatever to get by, and have resumes "enhanced" by agencies who specialize in such things (because their qualifications are foreign, they are unlikely to be verified by a US company). This has all sorts of bad effects, including cutting off the bottom rungs of the ladder for American grads. Why hire an unproven new grad from a non-top-10 school when for the same price or cheaper, you can get an H-1B with "5 years experience" in anything you like?

And insight from a Insurgent in a Curry Den (WTF is up with training the illiterate scabs?):

I work for a subsidiary of a large American corporation (cough....GE...cough). My department has had a consistent problem training and retaining the revolving door of TCS (Tata Consulting) and other (mostly Indian) contract workers. The maddening thing is that we're funneled by GE into dealing with these agencies because "we have no headcount" and therefore are not allowed to hire permanent employees often at salaries that American staff would be quite happy with. I came to find out that we're paying $100-110k on an annualized basis for very junior level programmers. We're talking 25 year olds...many straight out of college. Of that, TCS is probably pocketing 30-40% (or perhaps more). Instead of getting these inexperienced folks and handing wads of cash to Tata, I could pay say $100k to an American programmer with a few years of actual/verifiable work experience in our field. The employee would be happy, I'd be tickled to not have to retrain someone for that spot annually, etc. I don't know what loophole in accounting makes this "cheaper" for the US corporation since we lose a LOT of productivity due to the constant revolving door, poor employee integration/communication/etc.

More on the scabs:

I could introduce you to a woman who has twice had to train her H1B replacement, even though nobody denied that she was doing a good job. Now, she is unemployed again because her entire department was offshored - which is the end game to all this H1B non-sense.

And in case you have not heard, US tech workers were laid off by the hundreds of thousands in 2009. Practically every major tech employer laid off thousands of US workers. And the USA is suffering it's worse unemployment since the great depression.


tunnel rat posted on November 17, 2010 10:46

Computerworld has a post with nice graphics of the H-1B applications filed by the slumdog slave traders.  Note the red spots in the curry dens of Seattle, San Jose, and New Jersey.

You can also see the infestation details with interactive maps:

It also shows the companies that applied for slumdog scabs, which makes for a great Insurgency target list:

Don't forget -- ANY AMERICAN HAS THE RIGHT TO DEMAND TO SEE THE LCA'S OF A COMPANY THAT SPONSORED AN H-1B.  I send out demand letters all the time, and you should see the responses from the companies who then have to get their paperwork in order!  You have a right to walk into any of these companies and demand to see their LCAs.

And if you are an umemployed techie, you may even get a job out of that exercise!  WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR?


tunnel rat posted on November 10, 2010 23:19

Getting late, and Wifey and I just had a nice dinner, so I will punt and repost some stuff uncovered by the Insurgency:

Illegal immigration and the new terrorism threat collide

  • November 8th, 2010 8:09 am PT
  • By Kimberly Dvorak, San Diego County Political Buzz Examiner

Late last week Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) demanded the Department of Homeland Security cough up the immigration and naturalization records of Washington D.C. Metrorail suspected terrorist bomber Farooque Ahmed.

In an effort to determine the best method to protect Americans from illegal aliens who have nefarious intentions toward U.S. citizens, Grassley sought the immigration process used by Ahmed from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), but he was refused the records and told he needed a privacy release form from the suspected terrorist.

Grassley’s letter highlighted a clear conflict provided by USCIS and showed that the language contained in the Privacy Act details an exemption for members of Congress. Grassley said it, “is unacceptable as a matter of accountability,” for the American people.

Senator Grassley outlined his concern in a letter to the Department of Homeland Security. “It’s about the suspected terrorist from media reports, including accounts that the would-be bomber hoped to harm as many Americans as possible on the metro system.” In addition to seeking the suspected terrorist’s immigration history, Grassley also asked for the legal background for the excuse the USCIS used to disregard a provision of law designed to ensure checks and balances by giving Congress access to this kind of information.”

The senator pointed out several media reports that concerned him regarding the process used by the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and other agencies to arrest Ahmed.

“According to news reports, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) conducted an undercover sting operation, and exposed Mr. Ahmed of plotting terrorist attacks against Americans,” he said in a letter to Janet Napolitano, Secretary of DHS. “Some reports indicate that earlier this year, Mr. Ahmed ‘conducted surveillance and reconnaissance and suggested ways to generate the most causality’s on the DC metro. He reportedly wanted to battle U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Pakistan and trained himself in martial arts, use of firearms, and knife and gun tactics. Mr. Ahmed informed those whom he believed to be his co-conspirators that he also planned to wage jihad overseas.”

Various news reports cite that Ahmed obtained a degree in Computer Science from the College of Staten Island, which is a part of the City University of New York. Later Ahmed work in the telecommunications industry in Northern Virginia. It is also alleged that in order to keep his legal status, Ahmed began pursuing an online graduate degree in risk management and data security from Aspen University.

Senator Grassley’s concerns about Ahmed’s visa status draws attention to the process by which potential immigrants enter the country and what kind of background checks are required to ensure the legitimacy of prospective students who seek higher education in the U.S.

“I would like to know how Mr. Ahmed entered the United States and through which immigration channels he was able to remain here,” said Grassley who is also a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee and a member of the Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees, and Border Security. “I therefore request that you provide me with copies of all documents and reports relating to the issuance of student visa(s), any adjustment of status and subsequent visas, and naturalization for Mr. Ahmed including, but not limited to the following:

a. All immigrant and non-immigrant visa applications filed by Mr. Ahmed;
b. All certificates of eligibility for immigrant and non-immigrant visas provided by Mr. Ahmed in support of his application(s) for legal status in the United States;
c. All law enforcement reports that contained information on Mr. Ahmed’s associations with al-Qaeda and which were available to homeland security official(s) who approved his visa application(s) and naturalization application.
e. Any records on Mr. Ahmed included in the student tracking system, SEVIS, including but not limited to his degree program and classes taken at City University of New York and Aspen University.
f. All documents related to the naturalization process for Mr. Ahmed.

While these documents are a start for Senator Grassley’s office, others are now questioning the effectiveness the H-1B visas and the need to update the provisions to better fight terrorism in a post 9/11 world.

The main pathway for H-1B Visa holders is to obtain a degree from a U.S. college or university on a F-1 Visa, and perhaps extend it with OPT (Optional Professional Training) for up to 29 months and then obtain a H-1B Visa for employment of 6 or more years.

One factor of particular concern for Americans is the easy process for foreigners to obtain an H-1B visa. “These visas are discouraging young Americans from entering technology fields,” according to Gene Nelson, Ph.D. who is an expert in immigration policy. “Why should American students complete the expensive and challenging training to become a scientist or engineer if prospective employers will hire essentially unlimited numbers of (inexpensive) technical professionals from India or Communist China to quickly displace the young Americans from technology fields?”

Nelson believes the second effect of this immigration visa is just as significant, but more difficult to quantify.

“The lack of vetting of imported technical professionals under work visa programs such as H-1B is causing national security harms. I have discussed this problem in testimony delivered in the U.S. House of Representatives and the National Academy of Sciences since 1996,” Nelson explains. “The long-term negative externalities of such immigrant avidity include the prospect of large-scale nuclear terrorism or bioterrorism in the U.S., likely in cities such as Washington, DC or New York City.”

The H-1B Visa holder is a de-facto indentured servant, according to Nelson. He also points out their visa is conditioned on being continuously employed and employers are able to hold out the "carrot" of the eventual green card sponsorship.

Ferreting information about students can be as easy as looking to social networking sites. For example, Ahmed’s LinkedIn profile showed that he was enrolled in a master's computer engineering program at CUNY's College of Staten Island. It went on to explain that he did not get his degree because of a "political issue between computer science and engineering department."

Nelson explains that an employer-sponsored H-1B visa requires practically no vetting of applicants and allows foreign students to remain in the U.S. for at least six years. Plus, foreign students or employees are often granted automatic extensions while they are waiting for a green card. Once a green card is in hand, foreigners are well on their way to completing the U.S. naturalization process.

As far as employers ensuring that no one in America is qualified for the high-tech job, U.S. employers are required to make a “good faith” attempt to hire an American first before they grant an H-1B visa to a foreigner. However, experts contend that few employers do this because they know foreigners are willing to work for less money and longer hours.

According to the Labor Department's 2006-2011 Strategic Plan notes; "H-1B workers may be hired even when a qualified U.S. worker wants the job, and a U.S. worker can be displaced from the job in favor of the foreign worker."

This should be very concerning to Americans. Many of the H-1B visa jobs involve national security inside the telecommunication industry.

In Ahmed’s case he worked for three telecommunication companies since 2000 and according to the Labor Department each of these companies applied for hundreds of H-1B visas; Ericsson which has applied for 446 H-1B visas, Glotel who has applied for 143 H-1B visas and Sprint who has applied for a staggering 857 H-1B visas.

Once Nelson navigated through the Sprint VA H-1B visa spreadsheet he found some disturbing details. He pointed to an incorrect work city shown for Sprint "network" positions that begin in July, 2006, which matched his LinkedIn profile. “Also there is only one Sprint LCA for the state of Illinois, but it is not for Ahmed’s job title. This suggests to me that Sprint failed to follow the (loophole-laden) rules, as a LCA is for a specific job title in a specific city and state,” Nelson points out. (Here is the link to Sprint info; http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx)

One thing is certain, a rash of terror plots continues to be uncovered across the country and there seems to be no end to the profound hatred these terrorists have towards America. The underlying terror threats will require the country’s national security agencies to continually evolve and grow if they are to be successful in preventing the next 9/11 attack.

For more stories; http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/kimberly-dvorak

As always, fellow Insurgent Rob Sanchez has more details about this case.  Many of the H-1B terrorists look like this freak:


How's this sound?  We American techies show up at the local Sprint center and demand that they drag out all the H-1Bs and show us their LCA documents!  You do have that right, as I have so frequently proven.



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tunnel rat posted on November 8, 2010 22:54

Another Indian infiltrator, Arvind Panagariya, is peddling some more NASSCOM bullshit in the NY Times, in a piece titled "What Obama Can Learn From India."

At first, I thought he was going to be honest, and cover these topics:

1.  How to produce more cell phones than toilets

2.  How to keep you corrupt upper-caste oligarchy in charge

3.  How to lead the world in sales of "Mein Kampf"

4.  How to flood the world with millions of marble-mouthed slumdogs who remit 90% of their pay back to the upper-caste oligarchy

Instead, this slumdog peddled the typical crap:

The current U.S. administration, unfortunately, is succumbing to protectionist impulses. For instance, it recently imposed fee hikes of $2,000 or more on H1-B and L-1 visas for highly-skilled foreign workers at firms employing more than 50 workers, with half or more of their workers on H1-B visas. Another example is the discrimination in tax treatment based on whether the firms create jobs at home or abroad.

Of course, he was pretty much flamed in the comments section, except for the few illiterate slumdogs that chimed in from THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT, like Sameer:

america gets 1.3 $
for each dollar the usa spend through outsourcing ... it means that a return of 30% ...
secondly ...
i find many Americans r much concerned for BPO jobs ...
personally i dun like BPO jobs ..
i believe as soon as the indian economy changes into a production based economy ...
BPO jobs will lose its shine in india ... as indian youths r much concerned about the "name nd fame" factor .. nd BPO jobs doesnt give so in india...
even today in india a engineering degree course or a medical degree course is the first preference of students ...
and regarding software jobs .. i believe if americans want to compete wid indian counterpart .. thn they must reconsider their salary figures as IT giants
hire indian software techie coz of their less salary demand ..

Thanks, you stupid fuck. 

But there was more insight from other Indians (I am seeing more bitching from the NRIs!):

Mr. Panagariya,

As an Indian techie who once used to be on the reviled H1B program, I feel that American engineers
have legitimate concerns in the employment immigration policies and related industry actions. Many American engineers with 20 years experience find that they are easily replaceable with foreigners with much less expertise and are willing to work for a little bit less. Unlike other professions like Medicine, Law or Business, there is not much growth in salary levels in Engineering with experience. Further the modern engineering process is designed to be compartmentalized and sent to the entity that will do it for the least cost - so to most employees the years of experience brings little advantage.

Irving, TX for example is full of "body shopping" companies floated by former Verizon employees, which offer H1B sponsorship, training and a possible placement with a client to almost anybody for a cost. Especially in their heydays till 2008, many of these H1B applicants used many tricks to burnish their resumes and inflate their experience - Housewives became experts in inventory management and pizza deliverers in supply chain management. Similarly there are innumerable violations of the intent of Work visa laws by employees, by employers and immigration lawyers who support them. Such violations not only hurt US workers but also other more legitimate H1B workers.

With these concerns in mind, it is a legitimate action on part of the American government to levy a USD2000 fee for every H1B or L1 worker that wishes to work there. The show of indignation on part of Indian outsourcing companies is duplicitous, especially when a typical worker bills out at 50 to 250 USD per hour. Let us say the median wage is 80 USD/hour - 400 per day or 2000 USD per week - Why is it so bad for the American government to get paid 1 weeks wages - that too probably once in 2 or 3 years. These modest fees are justified and the funds can be used for retraining programs in the US. Further India has similar rules - for example no foreigner is allowed to work if he is paid less than USD25000 - this is clearly a protectionist rule meant to prevent hordes of cheap workers invading India. So Indian government cannot complain about a US law that makes it a little bit more expensive to outsource work. In any case this will become a cost of business and will be passed on to the client, and may reduce the misuse of these visas.

Then you get the crap from the typical collaborator, who should get a tire-iron to his head:

Isn't the "they're stealing our jobs" refrain getting a little old? Reminds me of the "Gooback" episode of South Park.
How exactly are they stealing our jobs? That many American IT professionals have priced themselves out of the market is closer to the truth.
A couple years ago my company tasked me with staffing and managing a large org-wide program that had a big chunk of IT work. Our inhouse IT folks estimated the IT work to be about 30,000 hours, if I remember right. Given the timeline of the project, the estimate was that we'd need 2 IT project managers, 1 IT architect, 4 designers and 30 programmers.
We didn't employ enough IT staff to allocate to this, so we started looking outside.
The local staffing firms (similar to Manpower, KForce etc) gave impressive resumes, but the overall cost would have been upward of $15 million, because the hourly rates quoted ranged from $60 to $120.
Then we started looking at firms that do offshore work. The American company that we finally awarded the project to signed with us a fixed price contract for less than $5 million for executing the project, and an approx $1 million-a-year AMC. All the 30-odd programmers were based offshore - in India and the Philippines.
It's a better business model for them, it's better value for me as a business-owner.

Let us know when that off-shored project blows up, "manbearpig" and we'll round up some insurgents to clean it up, douchebag.

Then there is the typical eloquent response from an insurgent:

I love hearing about how "highly skilled" H1B and L1 visa holders promote productivity and so forth. The reality is that the H1B visa program, which once upon a time involved people with unique skill sets like a phd in solid state physics, etc, now are for any kind of job, assuming the person has the basic requirements of it. Thus programmers, engineers, etc are brought in under H1B's, many of them educated with no more then the equivalent of a 2 year associates degree here in the states.

And they are not paid market wages, they are paid a fraction of it, with no benefits, despite what the law says. More importantly, H1B visa holders are indentured servants, who cannot just go to another company and get a job that pays better, unless they can find someone to sponsor them. The Indian IT outsourcing/insourcing is not about productivity, it is about low wages, based on India turning out graduates of (for the most part) mediocre schools who are desperate for jobs, because without western companies, India produces very few jobs (other then outsourcing firms like infosys and wipro),so they have to in effect take jobs rather then create them themselves. And while there are many skilled Indian workers who are at the best level, a lot more frankly are mediocre at best, who get jobs because they are cheap, and the bosses at companies see this as being productive, since of course it saves them on salary and other things. Of course, the bosses don't see the other side of this, the often lack of quality (often caused by workers who don't understand what they are working on, or worse, as is common at many outsourcing firms in India, rapid turnover), and they also don't see what the employees of the company who have to oversea outsourced labor have to do to accomodate this workforce, spending a lot of time and effort, rather then in designing better ways to do things or better products, simply try to get the job done given what they are (and for all those of you who think the GOP is your friend, they just canned a bill that would have gotten rid of the tax credits companies get for outsourcing products).

And with IT, India is going to find that taking jobs from the west is going to end up cutting their own throat, much as export only societies like China are going to find, because cheap labor doesn't drive the kind of demand that the goods and services they are providing need, you cannot continue to create jobs based on cheap labor (put it this way, most of the Indian H1B workers in the US are not exactly happy; 99% of them, I can guarantee you,spend a lot of time trying to convince companies to sponsor their green card, so they can actually compete in the labor market and try to make a decent living). One of the problems with the Indian economy, much like the Chinese economy, is that the growth they are experiencing is coming on a zero sum basis, that what they take in their growth is taking away from others. They aren't creating new wealth, they aren't creating an internal market or creating new products or revolutionizing (sorry, Tom, but putting cell phone service on Mt. Everest is clever, but not exactly creating something new)...

Well said, wdef!

tunnel rat posted on November 3, 2010 11:35

That ad with those former HP-er's ran day and night here in Cali, and I think it was the only pro-Boxer ad I ever saw.


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